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Dress up Kyle! [Jan. 10th, 2012|12:53 pm]
kyle cassidy
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So, last year you may remember that a homeless guy told me that I needed a new coat. Mine is really warm, and nearly perfect, but the nylon shell has two rips in it each about a foot long, so it may be time. Buying a new coat is something I don't take lightly.....

I've got some requirements

1) It needs to have big pockets I can put camera gear in
2) It needs to be SUPER WARM -- lots of what I do is just standing around ... waiting....
3) It needs to not be stuffed with goose down (if you're wondering why not stuffed with goose down, you can watch this horrifying video about where goose down comes from)
4) It needs to be 3/4 length
5) It needs to have a hood
6) It would be nice if it had an inside pocket big enough to fit a large notebook
7) It should have waist & hem cinches to keep the warm in.

This is a more difficult quest than I'd thought. There are lots of good synthetic fill materials, Thinsulate, Primaloft, Polarguard, Thermolite, etc.) But finding them in the configuration I need is proving difficult -- most super warm stuff is for climbers or skiers -- I'm looking for more of a pack mule outfit. I've got two candidates (Three if you count this $300 Antarctic Parka from Wiggy's which fits the bill but is, I think, too expensive to justify.) It should also be large enough to fit three layers underneath.

Clickenzee to Embiggen!

One is a primaloft parka from Cabela's the other is a 1970's vintage pre-owned Air Force N3-B parka. Neither of which are near enough that I can try them on.

Advice? Or another option I've missed?? Please feel free to post links to recommendations.

(WHICHEVER I get, I'll need someone to make a patch for the sleeve that says "SECOND ROSWELL EXPEDITION - SOUTH POLE - 1932")

Poll #1809745 Which coat should Kyle get?

Which coat should Kyle get?

The Primaloft parka from Cabela's
The vintage Air Force parka
Neither, I've got a better idea (in comments)

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[User Picture]From: dd_b
2012-01-10 06:01 pm (UTC)
I had an Air Force parka in the 1970s, as did my father. They were far, far, less warm than the sorts of coats I have been talking about in the previous post on this. Around 1980 I got an Eddie Bauer top-of-the-line expedition parka; THAT is seriously warm (I walked a mile or so at -40 before wind-chill in it; could have used something heavier on my legs though).

I don't really know what level of warmth you actually need. I certainly found that standing around waiting for things takes a MUCH warmer coat than actively doing things, though.
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[User Picture]From: kylecassidy
2012-01-10 06:26 pm (UTC)
I do like the Eddie Bauer, and it's popular with the journalists who stand out in front of the white house all winter waiting for things to happen, but I think they're all goose down. Another option may be something not as well rated plus an electric vest as one of the layers....
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[User Picture]From: buboniclou
2012-01-10 06:13 pm (UTC)
Check out ScottEVest, they make a really good jacket I can vouch for, I got it for my BF. It's got a million pockets, and plenty warm.
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[User Picture]From: buboniclou
2012-01-10 06:15 pm (UTC)
I think it was the Revolution Plus.
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[User Picture]From: mhaithaca
2012-01-10 06:17 pm (UTC)
This may not be warm enough for you, but it generally is for me. It's a North End 3-in-1 Techno Performance jacket, which has a warm zip-out fleece jacket that's all I wear most of the time, and a lightly insulated outer shell that zips over that when it's really cold. When it gets below about 20-25°, I wear the two together, or I wear my heavy leather jacket.

This has lots of pockets in both parts, and my smaller lenses fit happily in the fleece's pockets along with my gloves.

Of course, mine is red and says "Cornell Hockey" on it. I think you should get one that says "Breakfast with Roswell Road Crew." Make people wonder.
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[User Picture]From: dd_b
2012-01-10 06:39 pm (UTC)
I suspect there's some lack of communication on what kind of "cold" is being talked about, so I just brought that up directly in another comment a minute ago.

20-25 is fairly warm. "Pretty cold" is around 0. "Very cold" is around -15. I've been out at -40 (a temperature I especially like because it's the same in C and F).
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[User Picture]From: cerulean_sky
2012-01-10 06:23 pm (UTC)
I would say that $300 doesn't sound like a whole lot when considering that you might have this coat for the next 25 years. Given the way you hung onto your previous coat, if the one that's $300 is exactly what you want, maybe it's a totally justifiable expense.
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[User Picture]From: kylecassidy
2012-01-10 06:25 pm (UTC)
Hmmm. ... this might be just the kind of sense that needs to be talked into me....
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[User Picture]From: TYBelka
2012-01-10 06:35 pm (UTC)

Parka, Parka...who's got the Parka??

All for the Air Force Parka... WHY?? It has that "COOL" style to it that just fits. It's got that old timey (70's) look too.. I suppose warmth might need to be weighed as well, but knowing many other surplus items, they tend to do the trick... I had an army mummy bag that absolutely rocked as a young adult..and lets face it... if you were hanging out in Philly back in the day and you saw some cool dude walk by sporting the AF Parka, you'd be like "WOW, I wanna be like that guy"..Superstar.
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[User Picture]From: anywhereanyone
2012-01-10 08:44 pm (UTC)

Re: Parka, Parka...who's got the Parka??

I had the exact same jacket, I wouldn't recommend it. It's horribly bulky and uncomfortable, and there are much better options out there. When it comes to cold weather outwear there have been major advances since that jacket came out. I'd suggest taking a trip to REI or other such outdoor supplier and look at brands like Northface, Helly Hanson, and Mountain Hardwear. Most of the best lightest jackets employ down feathers in them, but there are some other options in their lineups. They may even have synthetic options.
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[User Picture]From: coffeeem
2012-01-10 06:45 pm (UTC)
Buy the one from Wiggy's. Really. Stint yourself on a couple of things. A guaranteed-warm winter coat is worth giving up a few other things for.
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[User Picture]From: kylecassidy
2012-01-10 09:04 pm (UTC)
Wow. I can be like "Well, Emma Freaking Bull told me to do it."

Am I seeing you guys this week???
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[User Picture]From: shelly_rae
2012-01-10 07:19 pm (UTC)
Spend the extra money on the durable Wiggy's coat. Unless you think it's too warm for you. But standing around in cold? Worth it.
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[User Picture]From: lentower
2012-01-10 07:33 pm (UTC)
In your business, I would buy the $300.00 coat,
if it was the best fit for your requirements.
But you aren't me.

How many colds?
How much downtime?
Does it take to justify the cost?

How much would Kambriel want to make the coat of your dreams?
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[User Picture]From: kylecassidy
2012-01-10 09:36 pm (UTC)
Oooh, the coat of my dreams would have bat wings.....
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From: gaminette
2012-01-10 07:52 pm (UTC)
I'm going to also weigh in on the side of "it's an investment - go ahead and spend the dough." In mathing, if you have it for, say, three years, it'll be $100 per year; if you get a $100 coat and it only lasts you one year, well, it's the same value, innit? Besides, better to go with what you know you'll like. What if the one-of-a-kinds don't fit? Or aren't all they're cracked up to be?

I don't think I can help with the patch, but I'll happily make you a watch cap once you decide on your coat. ^__^
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[User Picture]From: deililly
2012-01-10 08:14 pm (UTC)
Mark me as another vote for the more expensive coat if it looks right for you. This is part of your work and you WILL wear it till it falls off you. So cost per wear will wind up as nothing and the coat as a bargain!
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From: ex_rolanni
2012-01-10 08:19 pm (UTC)
The Wiggy's parka is serious business -- 80 below? Is non-trivial cold. One thing you might want to ask is -- will it be too warm in more-normal-for-Philly-or-even-Central-Maine temperatures? I, for instance, (living in Central Maine as I do) have three winter coats:

a waist-length, fleece-lined water-resistant jacket for those days going into and coming out of winter when it might hit 40F or go down to 28F

a hip-length, fleece-lined gore-tex-reinforced, waterproof hooded parka for most winter days here -- 25F to 0F or even -5F

and a knee-length goose-down (sorry) coat that's sorta like a quilt with sleeves with a waterproof shell and a wide, thick fleece collar for those days when it's -20F and a windchill that takes it down into there-is-no-number-that-low.

Somebody suggested one of the Scott eVest coats, which might be worth looking into. You can always fit a fleece vest into one of the pockets, for emergencies.
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[User Picture]From: kylecassidy
2012-01-10 09:37 pm (UTC)
These are all very good points. I do have a whole bunch of coats for various temperatures. the one that's dead now is the serious cold weather one.
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[User Picture]From: katranna
2012-01-10 09:04 pm (UTC)
I voted for the Air Force one on style/looks alone, but I think $300 is entirely fair to pay for a GOOD winter coat that will last. Seriously. It's not that much spread over the years you'll be using it, and a serious winter coat is definitely an article of clothing where you need to make sure you get quality.
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[User Picture]From: dd_b
2012-01-10 10:01 pm (UTC)
That's right about what I paid for the Eddie Bauer Expedition Parka -- in the late 1970s, at employee discount. They've actually held their price pretty much, resisting inflation.

Staying warm in that kind of weather is NOT cheap, no. Priceless, though.
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[User Picture]From: bethofalltrades
2012-01-10 09:05 pm (UTC)

Another option...

If you love your coat, perhaps you can get a seamstress or tailor to repair it? I know how hard it is to let go of something that's exactly what you need, and sometimes you can get a few more years out of something with the right expert repairs.
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[User Picture]From: alumiere
2012-01-10 09:15 pm (UTC)

Re: Another option...

I second this. And the vintage AF coat is a bad idea - they're not warm enough and are uncomfortable.

You may do well, however, to go to a good military surplus store; my BF has purchased two of their newer layered parkas and been very happy with them. One was army, the other I'm unsure about; they start with a gore-tex type shell, then have removable inside layers of fleece or quilted fabric then fleece. And loads of big pockets, hoods (one folding the other not), etc.
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[User Picture]From: greygirlbeast
2012-01-10 09:52 pm (UTC)

Vintage, all the way.
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[User Picture]From: ehowton
2012-01-10 10:17 pm (UTC)
IIRC the AF parka is available in a variety of conditions.

The one I wore in Korea was marked, "EXTREMELY COLD WEATHER"

It was rather toasty and I've often wished I'd had chosen the option to buy it for its depreciated value when I left. While the Wiggy's is nice looking, I love how the parka manages to say "fashion aware" without implication of survivalist.
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[User Picture]From: kylecassidy
2012-01-11 01:59 am (UTC)
you have spoken wisely.
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