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What we talk about when we talk about pockets [Apr. 29th, 2013|08:33 am]
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This post is about pockets, feminism, design, autonomy and common sense. Please feel free to repost or link to it if you know people who'd benefit from the discussion.

A few weeks ago trillian_stars and I were out somewhere and she asked "Oooh, can I get a cup of coffee?" and I thought "why are you asking me? You don't need permission." But what I discovered was that her clothes had no pockets, so she had no money with her.

Mens clothes have pockets. My swimsuits have pockets. All of them do, and it's not unusual, because, what if you're swimming in the ocean and you find a fist full of pirate booty in the surf? You need somewhere to put it. Men are used to carrying stuff in their pockets, you put money there, you put car keys there. With money and car keys come power and independence. You can buy stuff, you can leave. The idea of some women's clothes not having pockets is baffling, but it's worse than that -- it's patriarchal because it makes the assumption that women will either carry a handbag, or they'll rely on men around them for money and keys and such things. (I noticed this also when Neil & Amanda were figuring out where her stuff had to go because she had no pockets.) Where do women carry tampons? Amanda wondered, In their boyfriend's pockets, Neil concluded.)

I then noticed that none of trillian_stars' running clothes had pockets. Any pockets. Which is (as they always say on "Parking Wars") ridikulus. Who leaves the house with nothing? (It's not a rhetorical question, I actually can't think of anybody).

We fixed some of this by getting this runners wrist wallet from Poutfits on Etsy -- it holds money, ID, keys ... the sort of stuff you'd need. Plus you can wipe your nose on it. It solves the running-wear problem, but not the bigger problem.




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The bigger problem is that people who design women's fashions are still designing pants and jackets that have no pockets. In fact, this jacket we got last December has ... no pockets. It's not a question of lines or shape, it's a question of autonomy.



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So I'm asking my friends who design women's clothes to consider putting pockets in them, they can be small, they can be out of the way, they can be inside the garment, but space enough to put ID, and cash and bus tokens. And maybe a phone. (And if you can design a surreptitious tampon stash, I'm sure Neil & Amanda & a lot of other people would appreciate it as well.)





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[User Picture]From: devotdsatellite
2013-04-30 04:59 am (UTC)
cant tell you how many times i have had to use my cleavage as my pocket. and its why i get my gym shorts from the mens section (also i like the longer length. but when you look around there is tons of hidden patriarchy. why is the bride on the left side of the aisle? etc etc.
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[User Picture]From: devotdsatellite
2013-04-30 05:06 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: spacedlaw
2013-04-30 08:42 am (UTC)
Strangely enough when I go out with my husband, he always empties his pockets into my bag, so I always end up carrying an awful load of stuff.
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[User Picture]From: rainechan
2013-04-30 10:07 am (UTC)
I do the opposite! lol

When we go somewhere where I want/have to carry as little as possible, I hand him all my (important) things to stuff into his pockets.
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[User Picture]From: rainechan
2013-04-30 10:05 am (UTC)
OMG, KYLE.

When I worked at Walmart, I wore MEN's cargo pants, SOLELY for the pockets. I had to carry my pens, markers, a label peeler, and my box cutter at all times, not to mention my pocket change for the vending machines. It was great when I had to randomly stuff things into my extra pockets for whatever reason!

Also, my purse has pockets.

I think, at some point in my past, I may have gone through pocket withdrawl to currently need this many pockets.
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[User Picture]From: morriganswitch
2013-04-30 10:13 am (UTC)

Pockets, guns and patronizing head pats.

A winter coat without pockets?!? My first thought is "how do you keep your hands warm?"

The obvious answer is gloves, but gloves never feel as capable as your actual fingers. I had a friend make me "gittens" (gun mittens, so that I could still safely operate my firearm in the cold. Pockets have the same feel. When I started instructing women, men told me it was great because I could teach women about carry purses.

"What the hell do I know about purses? I don't carry one." I thought to myself. I still don't advocate off body carry for women, too many ways for it to be separated from you, and frankly 99% of carry purses are ugly old lady purses that no woman under 60 is going to carry.

The pin up collection (FlashBang, Ava and Marilyn are my carry options from them) is the first bunch of holsters that I didn't feel patronized women. Because they were designed by a woman. No thoughts of "her husband can carry her tampons" because we're strong women who can carry our own, thanks.


It's the same reason so many women want a female firearms instructor. No patronizing 'head pat' attitudes. I'm guilty of it. I didn't seek out formal training until I had been shooting 14 years because I got tired of condescending "help" at the range.

I still get it, mind you. Sometimes while wearing my teeshirt with "INSTRUCTOR" emblazoned on it. "Oh, I thought that was your husband's shirt".

You're absolutely correct. Pockets are freedom. And if you're lucky enough to find workout clothes that contain pockets, the dammed things won't actually hold anything.

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[User Picture]From: Lauren Wilson Langley
2013-04-30 01:27 pm (UTC)

Pockets

This has been a hughe problem for me. I do not like handbags. I lose & forget them. Ususally, my bra can carry most of what I need (it's a big'un. However, I have noticed something since having my son almost a year ago; baby boy clothes have functioning pockets. As young as 3 months, there are pockets on infant BOY clothing. Haven't seen many pockets in the clothes I have bought my 6 month old niece. Perhaps, we r conditiond from such an early age the we don't need pockets. I guess our children can carry our stuff.
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From: gaminette
2013-04-30 01:37 pm (UTC)
I thought of your pockety post when I saw this gif-set on Tumblr:

http://fuckyeah-itstheavengers.tumblr.com/post/49255676782/genius-playboy-billionaire-philanthropist

Event Tony Stark & Pepper Potts have this issue!
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[User Picture]From: livejournal
2013-04-30 03:14 pm (UTC)

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[User Picture]From: lorigami
2013-04-30 03:33 pm (UTC)
the last two dresses I designed both have pockets, because yeah. wtf?
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[User Picture]From: dancinglights
2013-04-30 04:22 pm (UTC)
My need for pockets, my forgetfulness resulting in constantly leaving behind small bags and purses, and my aesthetic disdain for fanny packs has driven me into the high fashion burner community's arms for classy pocket belts, garters, holsters, and so on and so forth. It's been a wonderful find, this cross-section of fashion and utilitarianism meant for adventuring in harsh environments where legal nudity is acceptable. But that frankly excessive accessorizing is *necessary* and the most reasonable of my everyday clothing only have fake front pockets that fit a single tampon or key if I'm lucky, yes, that still infuriates me.
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[User Picture]From: sheilagh
2013-05-03 01:08 am (UTC)
Any online vendors of these burner-savvy container-accessories, that you recommend?
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[User Picture]From: livejournal
2013-04-30 04:54 pm (UTC)

Interesting repost on women&#39;s pockets &amp; lack thereof

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[User Picture]From: livejournal
2013-04-30 06:06 pm (UTC)

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2013-04-30 06:43 pm (UTC)

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[User Picture]From: mrissa
2013-04-30 07:06 pm (UTC)
I buy most of my clothing at what I call the Girl Jock Online Stores: Athleta and Title Nine. Not all of their clothes have wee pockets in them, but some do, some in quite cunning places along the hem of the skirt or built into the side rib area where one would often see a zipper. Go them.
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[User Picture]From: dichroic
2013-05-01 02:38 pm (UTC)
It turns out that the Portland area has a bunch of Girl Jock brick-and-mortar stores - there's an Athleta downtown but I've seen a couple of others as well.
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2013-04-30 07:16 pm (UTC)

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2013-04-30 07:49 pm (UTC)

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