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What we talk about when we talk about pockets [Apr. 29th, 2013|08:33 am]
kyle cassidy
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This post is about pockets, feminism, design, autonomy and common sense. Please feel free to repost or link to it if you know people who'd benefit from the discussion.

A few weeks ago trillian_stars and I were out somewhere and she asked "Oooh, can I get a cup of coffee?" and I thought "why are you asking me? You don't need permission." But what I discovered was that her clothes had no pockets, so she had no money with her.

Mens clothes have pockets. My swimsuits have pockets. All of them do, and it's not unusual, because, what if you're swimming in the ocean and you find a fist full of pirate booty in the surf? You need somewhere to put it. Men are used to carrying stuff in their pockets, you put money there, you put car keys there. With money and car keys come power and independence. You can buy stuff, you can leave. The idea of some women's clothes not having pockets is baffling, but it's worse than that -- it's patriarchal because it makes the assumption that women will either carry a handbag, or they'll rely on men around them for money and keys and such things. (I noticed this also when Neil & Amanda were figuring out where her stuff had to go because she had no pockets.) Where do women carry tampons? Amanda wondered, In their boyfriend's pockets, Neil concluded.)

I then noticed that none of trillian_stars' running clothes had pockets. Any pockets. Which is (as they always say on "Parking Wars") ridikulus. Who leaves the house with nothing? (It's not a rhetorical question, I actually can't think of anybody).

We fixed some of this by getting this runners wrist wallet from Poutfits on Etsy -- it holds money, ID, keys ... the sort of stuff you'd need. Plus you can wipe your nose on it. It solves the running-wear problem, but not the bigger problem.




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The bigger problem is that people who design women's fashions are still designing pants and jackets that have no pockets. In fact, this jacket we got last December has ... no pockets. It's not a question of lines or shape, it's a question of autonomy.



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So I'm asking my friends who design women's clothes to consider putting pockets in them, they can be small, they can be out of the way, they can be inside the garment, but space enough to put ID, and cash and bus tokens. And maybe a phone. (And if you can design a surreptitious tampon stash, I'm sure Neil & Amanda & a lot of other people would appreciate it as well.)





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[User Picture]From: ravan
2013-05-02 07:41 pm (UTC)
I have gotten to the point where I just don't but clothes without useful pockets. It means I buy a lot of men's shirts and jackets, and get really picky about women's pants, but since I *won't* carry a purse or handbag, I am stuck with that option.

Since I am disabled, and only have the use of one hand, and that needs to carry a cane, I *need* pockets. Purses fall off my shoulder while walking with a cane, and although I carry my phone in a belt pouch, I can't put too much crap around my waist either. Even a cross-body messenger bag interferes with walking with a cane. I can carry a backpack, but that looks kinda sloppy and immature.

I have sworn off skirts, and I won't buy a jacket without pockets, because it is useless. I also won't buy crap with elastic waistbands or no belt loops.
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[User Picture]From: montuos
2013-05-03 06:51 pm (UTC)
I can't believe I read all the way down to this point of the third page of comments before anybody mentioned crappy elastic waistbands — one of my pettest of pet peeves! Seriously, if I want an adjustable waist, I want a nice, sturdy, completely inelastic drawstring, because any elastic that will stretch out enough to go over my hips...will go right back down over my hips in almost as little time as it takes to tell it (since I'm another one of those who refuses to purchase pants or skirts without pockets). And that in addition to being all loose and baggy around my waist, bleah...
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[User Picture]From: groblek
2013-05-02 08:04 pm (UTC)
I've never understood the lack of pockets in women's clothing. When I got my first Utilikilt, my girlfriend wore it nearly as often as I did, because of the pockets - to the point where one of our friends was nice enough to get her one as a wedding gift when we got married.
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[User Picture]From: livejournal
2013-05-02 10:17 pm (UTC)

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User anotheranon referenced to your post from No title saying: [...] to find several of my friends linking to this rant about the need for pockets in women's clothing [...]
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[User Picture]From: livejournal
2013-05-02 11:22 pm (UTC)

More on pockets from Kyle

User game_byrd referenced to your post from More on pockets from Kyle saying: [...] 's been a huge response to my post about womens pockets [...]
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[User Picture]From: livejournal
2013-05-02 11:34 pm (UTC)

What we talk about when we talk about pockets

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[User Picture]From: lianneb
2013-05-03 12:09 pm (UTC)
I guess I'm in the minority here. I hate carrying stuff in my pockets (unless it's a jacket pocket). I much prefer to carry a bag. You know those jokes about women and shoes? Forget shoes, I accumulate purses. Every colour, every style. And since I never go anywhere without a book, my oversized wallet, my ipod, and more stuff besides that, I always carry a purse.

Personally, I find very little (fashion speaking) as unappealing as the big wallet bulge in a man's back pocket, usually wearing through the fabric around the edges.
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[User Picture]From: fabricdragon
2013-05-03 03:42 pm (UTC)
hubby does that. carries a lot too much stuff and rips his pockets out.

i like hand bags, but they are annoying for jogging or etc
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[User Picture]From: fabricdragon
2013-05-03 03:42 pm (UTC)
i am biased, because i want to retail for them... but look at Saf-T-Pockets
they make patterns for clothes with LOTS of pockets, including hidden ones....
mostly started for travel and etc

they also have instructions for ADDING a hidden pocket to a jacket....

and a few lists of tailors who will make this for you.
mind you almost ANY good seamstress can make this stuff, they are easy , nice basic patterns.

and yes, i like them lots
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[User Picture]From: eldriwolf
2013-05-03 04:55 pm (UTC)
Only through the first page of comments, so far

Vests! I do not carry a purse at all any more.
I got a 'hunters vest' decades ago and Loved it. I wore it to death, and bought another--but they are not 'pretty'..

Since then I have Added pockets to decorative vests as well.
(put them on the inside) You can find some very fancy vests in thrift store.

---I have been known to make a mock lining with Many added pockets, none of the seams show, as the lining is attached only at the shoulders, sides, bottom and front
Velcro across the whole top of a pocket will stop Anything from falling out, even if you pick the vest up from the bottom. Put the hook part on the pocket before you sew it, hang it from the other part. ( sewn on the vest)Then attach the pocket--Much easier than putting the stuff on the Inside of an already attached pocket.

Edited at 2013-05-03 05:01 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: livejournal
2013-05-03 06:43 pm (UTC)

What we talk about when we talk about pockets

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2013-05-03 06:49 pm (UTC)

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2013-05-03 07:49 pm (UTC)

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2013-05-03 11:39 pm (UTC)

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[User Picture]From: livejournal
2013-05-07 03:36 pm (UTC)

This is why I wear men's clothes.--What we talk about when we talk about pockets

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