|What we talk about when we talk about pockets
||[Apr. 29th, 2013|08:33 am]
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This post is about pockets, feminism, design, autonomy and common sense. Please feel free to repost or link to it if you know people who'd benefit from the discussion.
A few weeks ago trillian_stars and I were out somewhere and she asked "Oooh, can I get a cup of coffee?" and I thought "why are you asking me? You don't need permission." But what I discovered was that her clothes had no pockets, so she had no money with her.
Mens clothes have pockets. My swimsuits have pockets. All of them do, and it's not unusual, because, what if you're swimming in the ocean and you find a fist full of pirate booty in the surf? You need somewhere to put it. Men are used to carrying stuff in their pockets, you put money there, you put car keys there. With money and car keys come power and independence. You can buy stuff, you can leave. The idea of some women's clothes not having pockets is baffling, but it's worse than that -- it's patriarchal because it makes the assumption that women will either carry a handbag, or they'll rely on men around them for money and keys and such things. (I noticed this also when Neil & Amanda were figuring out where her stuff had to go because she had no pockets.) Where do women carry tampons? Amanda wondered, In their boyfriend's pockets, Neil concluded.)
I then noticed that none of trillian_stars' running clothes had pockets. Any pockets. Which is (as they always say on "Parking Wars") ridikulus. Who leaves the house with nothing? (It's not a rhetorical question, I actually can't think of anybody).
We fixed some of this by getting this runners wrist wallet from Poutfits on Etsy -- it holds money, ID, keys ... the sort of stuff you'd need. Plus you can wipe your nose on it. It solves the running-wear problem, but not the bigger problem.
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The bigger problem is that people who design women's fashions are still designing pants and jackets that have no pockets. In fact, this jacket we got last December has ... no pockets. It's not a question of lines or shape, it's a question of autonomy.
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So I'm asking my friends who design women's clothes to consider putting pockets in them, they can be small, they can be out of the way, they can be inside the garment, but space enough to put ID, and cash and bus tokens. And maybe a phone. (And if you can design a surreptitious tampon stash, I'm sure Neil & Amanda & a lot of other people would appreciate it as well.)
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can't blame you one bit for being annoyed. the proportioned sign bugs me, too. i won't go into my whole rant, but give me a pair made for an hour glass shape, please.
is tall girl still around? there was a shop at the mall of america(i live in the minneapolis/st paul metro area even if my isp says i don't) and i know they had the small sizes in long lengths as the store was for tall women. a friend of mine was thrilled to find them when she came to visit, but i haven't really bothered to see if they are still there(i don't really go there that often). i always forget about chico's. they've changed so much in 20 years i just kind of pass them by.
I think they are, but even if so, they don't carry smaller sizes in talls. I wear a 4-6 (or 7-ish) and that's hell to find in talls. Often 'tall' seems to imply 'big' as well.
I hear you with the hour glass stuff also. It's not usually my problem, but my niece has that trouble. Yes, most women have waists smaller than their hips, thankyou.
not carrying smaller sizes in talls makes no sense. but that might just be me.
the hour glass thing is annoying. i have lost a huge amount of weight- around 200lbs, and even with the apron of loose skin hanging there on my stomach, my waist is much smaller than my hips. i find jeans that fit my hips and they are huge in the waist, fit in the waist and they are super tight in the hips. so annoying. and if there are pockets they are so shallow nothing fits. i have been sticking with one style of gap jeans as they fit well and have lovely deep pockets.
I've had an 11" difference between waist and hip, whether I was 16 and 135 pounds, or 37 and 225. The ratio doesn't change, oddly enough . . . but I was THRILLED when low-rise jeans came into existence, because FINALLY I could just buy jeans that fit my hips! (I basically get all of my jeans at Torrid, because they seem to be the one store that works for my shape. Lane Bryant jeans come up too high, and most department-store jeans also are either too high or too straight-cut in the thigh/waist/hip dimension. I was just super-sad when pencil-fit jeans came into fashion and I couldn't find straight/boot-cut legs anymore -- I hoard my boot-cuts, because they are quite literally going out of style!)
With a 20" difference, though, I can definitely see jeans fit being a problem. I used to get a "V" cut out at the back (basically, taking out the center belt-loop) and sewn together by a tailor, until the low-rise jeans came along and solved my problem.
-- A (30-ish pounds heavier than this pic, but still the same basic shape!)
This just flared up my anger at arbitrary numbers assigned to women's clothing as "sizes". It is irritating that I can't walk into a shop and pick out a pair of pants based on waste and inseam in inches. Men's pants are made this way, but I have to try and remember that I can range from a size 7 to a size 13 depending on the clothing company. Is stoooooopid.
No, Tall Girl (as well as Tall Etc) went out of business a few years ago. The number of IRL chain stores that carry clothes specifically for tall women in America is now zero.
Tall Girl got absorbed by Long Tall Sally (a UK company). They have precisely two physical stores in the US (Mall of America and Detroit), and other than that... the only time I get to try on stuff my size is when Long Tall Sally does merchandise tours. I pretty much fell over when I went to Minnesota a while back and got to browse actual racks of stuff likely to fit me.
All I want are long inseams and pockets, is that too much to ask? *sads*
Did the one in Minnesota come back? When I was at the MoA in 2008 they were having a going out of business sale (so I pretty much bought out the store, natch). *confused*
Really? The website still says it's there, but under the new owners. I visited in... um. 2010? I think? Several years ago at least. The Tall Girl in Denver is definitely gone, though, I can vouch for that one. :(
Yeah, the ones here in CA are all gone as well :( Weird about the MN one... if I'm ever in that area again I'll have to check it out!