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What we talk about when we talk about pockets [Apr. 29th, 2013|08:33 am]
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This post is about pockets, feminism, design, autonomy and common sense. Please feel free to repost or link to it if you know people who'd benefit from the discussion.

A few weeks ago trillian_stars and I were out somewhere and she asked "Oooh, can I get a cup of coffee?" and I thought "why are you asking me? You don't need permission." But what I discovered was that her clothes had no pockets, so she had no money with her.

Mens clothes have pockets. My swimsuits have pockets. All of them do, and it's not unusual, because, what if you're swimming in the ocean and you find a fist full of pirate booty in the surf? You need somewhere to put it. Men are used to carrying stuff in their pockets, you put money there, you put car keys there. With money and car keys come power and independence. You can buy stuff, you can leave. The idea of some women's clothes not having pockets is baffling, but it's worse than that -- it's patriarchal because it makes the assumption that women will either carry a handbag, or they'll rely on men around them for money and keys and such things. (I noticed this also when Neil & Amanda were figuring out where her stuff had to go because she had no pockets.) Where do women carry tampons? Amanda wondered, In their boyfriend's pockets, Neil concluded.)

I then noticed that none of trillian_stars' running clothes had pockets. Any pockets. Which is (as they always say on "Parking Wars") ridikulus. Who leaves the house with nothing? (It's not a rhetorical question, I actually can't think of anybody).

We fixed some of this by getting this runners wrist wallet from Poutfits on Etsy -- it holds money, ID, keys ... the sort of stuff you'd need. Plus you can wipe your nose on it. It solves the running-wear problem, but not the bigger problem.

Clickenzee to Embiggen!

The bigger problem is that people who design women's fashions are still designing pants and jackets that have no pockets. In fact, this jacket we got last December has ... no pockets. It's not a question of lines or shape, it's a question of autonomy.

Clickenzee to Embiggen

So I'm asking my friends who design women's clothes to consider putting pockets in them, they can be small, they can be out of the way, they can be inside the garment, but space enough to put ID, and cash and bus tokens. And maybe a phone. (And if you can design a surreptitious tampon stash, I'm sure Neil & Amanda & a lot of other people would appreciate it as well.)

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[User Picture]From: trishylicious
2013-04-29 10:14 pm (UTC)
Short women also have problems finding jeans that fit right too! So I feel you.

Petites jeans and other petites clothes tend to be more expensive (although I suppose that is a whole 'nother can of worms, about fast fashion vs. more longer lasting classics that will wear longer... etc. not getting into that now!)

regardless, if you're a shortie under about 5'4" you probably also have a hard time finding nice jeans that fit for less than $50-60 because everything is too long. Not every brand makes "ankle" jeans and those that do - they sell out fast. A few years ago it was a little easier before Low-Rise was super low Ass-crack rise, it's gotten tougher. I know. First world problems. heh.
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[User Picture]From: tripleransom
2013-04-30 08:23 pm (UTC)
Well, at least if they are too long you can hem them up.

Too short and there's NOTHING you can do except look like a dork and I did that enough when I was younger and there were no tall sizes.
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[User Picture]From: dichroic
2013-05-01 02:01 pm (UTC)
Nope. You can hem the legs, but the main reason I need petite sizes is the rise - I'm both short and proportionally shortwaisted. This means that regular jeans expect the waist to be somewhere up where my ribs are. That's not something alterations can fix.
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[User Picture]From: tripleransom
2013-05-01 02:09 pm (UTC)
I hear you there. Surprisingly enough, I have that problem also. Many tall sized things also add length in the rise. The result is, as you say, the waist up around my ribcage. Again, Grrr.
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[User Picture]From: catfactory
2013-04-30 09:34 pm (UTC)
WAY easier to hem a pair of pants than to try to somehow make it longer (my solution used to be "buy two identical pairs, cut at the knees of one pair, insert 10 inches of fabric from the knees of the other pair, sew it back together, and now I have ONE pair of pants that fits and a pair of shorts"). WAY easier. Also, I direct your attention to stores such as JC Penney, Sears, Macys, Nordstroms, all of which have "misses" "plus/women" and "petite". I still have yet to see ANY store with an entire section for tall women.

Not to say that petite people don't have trouble finding pants that fit them, but there really is no comparison with the troubles of buying pants for a tall woman, sorry. It's so much easier to make things smaller than bigger.
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[User Picture]From: ashbet
2013-05-01 05:54 am (UTC)
Yes and no -- if you're petite and small, you can usually find clothes. Petite and plush is harder to find -- my lovely girlfriend is 4'10-and-3/4" (that 3/4" is very important, she says!), and finding things that work for her shape without swamping her is sometimes tough, especially in the first couple of years after her daughter was born. Proportion is really crucial, and not having a lot of extra spending money was another factor!

I *love* your jeans-length solution, though!!

-- A <3
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